If you look at America, which was the experiment of the smallest conceivable government, what grows out of that is the largest government the world has ever seen.
What I'm talking about, what I strongly suggest to people, is that they should get closer to the people they're with.
Even if we did achieve what we wanted with a very small state, we'd just be resetting the clock back to 1776, and it would roll forward exactly the same way again.