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I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

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When I was young, I had this contrarian thing, and my music for a long time was an extension of that. I didn't want to entertain people; I had too much vanity to be an entertainer. I think that some layers of vanity came off.

When I was young, I had this contrarian thing, and my music for a long time was an extension of that. I didn't want to entertain people; I had too much vanity to be an entertainer. I think that some layers of vanity came off.

People think the world of music is so great, and it's just not. It's so boring, the way music is conceived and then declawed for public consumption.

With sad music, or music that's perceived as sad, there's a sense of solidarity that can be really powerful. My songs are all joyful to me.

Music is chaos. When I write songs, I'm opening the door to madness.

I would play my Dungeons and Dragons songs and watch people's eyes glaze over, and then I would start joking around between songs, and all of a sudden people were lighting up and engaging.

Interpretive thinking, as an art form, is dying.

I had this revelation, you are a lot better at the between-song stuff than you are at the song stuff. That was devastating. And I usually find devastating things to be pretty valuable.

What a crazy coincidence that the teaching of Christ sees to be so compatible with late-era capitalism, suburban isolation, rampant consumerism. And so I am not ever surprised when I see evangelicals contort themselves to justify supporting Donald Trump.

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I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.

I think that life is messy and that human beings are insane.